Welcome edit

Thank you for registering, and Welcome to Wikiversity!

-<Hillgentleman| ~ | > 10:35, 8 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. I will add the participant lists to my courses when they start. The custodian is a good idea too.
KaidoKikkas 10:16, 10 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
Flag added. Thanks and sorry to be late. Best, <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 15:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

image uploaded edit

Please, upload image in Wikimedia Commons instead of here. It make easier the work to transfert file when et.wikiversity will be open and allow all other wiki (and not only betawikiversity) to use your file. Thanks in advance .Crochet.david 13:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the notice, I will do it.
KaidoKikkas 13:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

about some pages edit

This page, where you mainly work, was not link from an another. So nobody can reach this page. What would you like to do with ? Crochet.david 06:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, now I don't understand. These pages are from my three courses and all of them are linked from their respective course pages (Ethics and Law in New Media, Haridustehnoloogia ja erivajadustega inimesed, Sotsiaalne tarkvara ja võrgukogukonnad - see the main page for Estonian courses at http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wiki%C3%BClikooli_koolituspakkumised , three last ones). The pages also contain the back links to the main course page.
The only exception is the second one from the bottom (erivajadused läbi aegade), which somehow seems to be an orphaned version of an existing page. If possible, please delete it.
KaidoKikkas 10:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)Reply
links edited to show moved location. --Abd (talk) 16:44, 20 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Good work! edit

I like the work you are doing incorporating traditional University-work with the Wikiversity-idea. To bad I don't have the time to really participate in your course, but I will keep an eye on it and read the material when I got some spare time. - Kaj 17:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! :) I'm not the only one though - Wikiversity was probably pioneered in Estonian academic circles by Hans Põldoja. I picked the initial idea up from him. KaidoKikkas 17:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Looking for research partnership edit

Right now, my first Wikiversity courses (mixing the University and Wikiversity as noted by Kaj above) seem to be running quite well - actual participant numbers have significantly exceeded the planned ones. I am considering writing a research paper about my experiences. Maybe someone with his/her own ideas is interested to team up - an option could be to do some kind of comparative analysis. KaidoKikkas 17:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

copyleft licences for your image files edit

Hello! Thank you for your contributions in creating educational resources in Wikiversity. As we care a lot about copyrights, we can only accept images or media files licenced under GFDL or CC-BY-SA (or the unconditional "Public Domain"). (see, e.g. [1]). Please add in appropriate declarations to the files, e.g. edit the description page saying "I, the author, hereby publish the file under GFDL / CC-BY-SA" should be enough. If you are too lazy, you may at least make a blanket declaration on your user page, then someone with a robot can add the tags for you. Regards, <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 12:34, 27 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

Sorry for late reply - have been away for an extended period. I will add the blanket declaration - not about laziness but more due to the course that used pictures has meanwhile moved under control of another person. KaidoKikkas 08:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Declaration of licensing for image files edit

Hereby I declare that all visual material (images, screenshots) uploaded by me to Wikimedia Commons are published under the GNU FDL / CC Attribution-ShareAlike dual license.

KaidoKikkas 08:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

You can do it by adding {{self|GFDL|Cc-by-sa-2.5}} in your file.Crochet.david 08:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

custodian edit

Hi, Kaido. Would you like to help out on wikiversity as a custodian and help maintain the pages in your course as well as in your language, and also keep the house tidy? Regards, <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 14:36, 13 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

Sorry... I'd love to, but unfortunately I'm already drowning in different tasks - and I wouldn't like to do lousy work. Maybe when more peaceful times arrive, then it could be possible. KaidoKikkas 10:46, 14 October 2010 (UTC)Reply
That's ok. But if you ever need the tools for maintaining your courses, please feel free to say so. Best, <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 14:28, 20 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

Some questions edit

Thanks for all your work on Estonian resources.

I saw your removal of many items from the participant list for a resource of yours.[2] I'd appreciate it if you would explain massive changes like that.

I think I see what happened. When you established the page, you did not use your signature, but gave your web site. And you have now reverted to the same, which will continue to encourage others, seeing the page, to add their own names and web sites, instead of the normal participant sign-up with a Wikiversity user name. This is wasting the time of a lot of people. If you would like me to fix this for you, I will, though my Estonian is Google-only. But you may get much better participation if participants are encouraged to register here, and enable email. Many advantages.

I also see that you, at least for some of the course, have not used subpages. If related subsidiary pages are subpages, backlinks are obvious (they are automatically at the top of the screen) a resource is a unit, and it can be moved as one, and pages are automatically organized and easily identified. I moved the participant page accordingly,[3] and edited the main resource to use a subpage link, which is shorter and easier to enter. If that's okay with you, I'd be happy to complete this. With that single move, it's easy to undo, but if many pages are moved, not so easy! --Abd (talk) 18:58, 27 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

  • I see that many registered Wikiversity users did sign up, they just were not instructed to leave their user name, they followed your model instead. I could create a participant list from page history. Would you like that? You had a lot of interest, it's a shame to erase that! The IP signups will still be in history, and it would be possible to contact some of these by email, but that's another issue. Wikiversity participant sign-ups should always be with a Wikiversity account. They then can use a watchlist and email notification to truly participate! It will increase the activity.
  • My guess is that others, as well, did not sign up because they didn't have a web site and/or did not want to disclose their real name. Generally, WikiMedia Foundation wikis allow anonymous participation .... it's a basic policy. So this was, again reducing possible participation. If you'd like a separate Estonian Wikiversity, it will be necessary to get higher participation, which is better anyway, and more fun. --Abd (talk) 19:08, 27 August 2014 (UTC)Reply


The reason for periodic changes in these pages are simple - I use Wikiversity for my actual courses at a number of places (Estonian IT College, Tallinn University, Tallinn University of Technology). Each run has its own set of participants who register to the Participants (Osalejad in Estonian - the page you referred to) page to list their names and blogs (see https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Ethics_and_Law_in_New_Media for an English-language course, it will also explain the system). The reason for cleaning up the participant list is thus simple - a run has completed and a new one is about to begin with new people.

I have run courses like this since 2009 and without major hassles. I have allowed editing the Participants page anonymously (without requiring signup), but it is in my watchlist and I've never had any obstructions yet. I think there are very few actual Wikiversity users among the students (i.e. registered Wikiversity users versus course participants), so requiring to register for just one course might be viewed as a nuisance.

Subpages make sense and I'd gladly accept help in this, but I'll be starting the next courses in a week, so we should get the place tidy by then. ː)

--KaidoKikkas, 19:21, 27 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

  • Great, thanks for the reply. So your participant list is real participants in a brick-and-mortar course. That's often done on en.wikiversity as well. Participants are encouraged to register regular accounts, and there can be participant-drive projects.
  • What occurs to me is a parallel Wikiversity learning project, where independent learners can participate. (Without any obligation on your part, but this sets up something ongoing that does not depend on you personally.) I'm not sure what the value is of having a real-course participant list, but, of course, that's up to you.
  • I will review the page structure in the next few days and will simplify it for you. This is all to support you and your work, and, ultimately, the independence of an Estonian Wikiversity, so, please, if you see a problem, let me know immediately!
  • As I do this, there will be redirects created. One thing that I need to know: if there are incoming links to an old page name from off-wiki, redirects should be maintained. Otherwise, when there is no local "What links here," we tend to delete them. (I'm not a custodian, but I do place speedy deletion templates and action on them is usually swift. If something is accidentally deleted, it's easy to undo.) --Abd (talk) 19:56, 27 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

ːI don't have links from outside myself (except to the main page of the course - e.g. on the official pages of the host university), but some people might have bookmarked specific topics or pages (just today, a colleague wanted to refer to some text of mine and asked for a proper format). It might be safer to use redirects. KaidoKikkas (talk) 20:06, 27 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

I will take a middle course here. As I'm not a custodian, so when I move pages, redirects are automatically created. If we know that a redirect should be maintained, that should be noted below the redirect on the page itself, and prominently there. (See an example of redirect-with-text I just created.) I won't do that, unless asked, but I will, in the other direction, not request deletion. Custodians sometimes find and delete these anyway, that's all. --Abd (talk) 20:48, 27 August 2014 (UTC)Reply
I have moved the pages and edited IT eetilised, sotsiaalsed ja professionaalsed aspektid#Kursuse info to reflect that. I checked to make sure there were no redirects already, standard when moving pages. I found that IT eetilised, sotsiaalsed ja professionaalsed aspektid: Võrguvestlus existed, but is not linked from IT eetilised, sotsiaalsed ja professionaalsed aspektid. I did move it under the project, you may wish to appropriately link it. Thanks again for your work. --Abd (talk) 00:52, 1 September 2014 (UTC)Reply
Everything seems to work - thank youǃ "Võrguvestlus" is a small guide for online chats used at some of my courses, but I don't currently use it for this one. It does not hurt to keep the document here though. KaidoKikkas (talk) 04:53, 1 September 2014 (UTC)Reply
Great. The redirects created by my moves do not have Category:ET on them, so when your Wikiversity is started, they will not be transwiki'd. People would need a new URL then anyway. If you ever decide you don't need those redirects, they can easily be deleted even before then. --Abd (talk) 16:51, 1 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Upload files, Upload Wizard? edit


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Hello edit

Hi dear KaidoKikkas,Actif on SWMT and x-wiki patroller,i would like to help this wiki to fight vandalism and spam. Is it possible to get Ip block exempt to my account? and my edit autmaticaly checked? I have sysop on two wiki and various rights across other projects. Regards and wonderful holiday!--Grind24 (talk) 13:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Common.css edit

Hello. Please, add to MediaWiki:Common.css this css-code for Ukrainian Wikiversity: /* Don't display some stuff on the Ukrainian Wikiversity main page */ body.page-Головна_сторінка #lastmod, body.page-Головна_сторінка #siteSub, body.page-Головна_сторінка #contentSub, body.page-Головна_сторінка h1.firstHeading {display: none !important;} Thanks. — Green Zero обг 02:02, 18 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Community Insights Survey edit

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Reminder: Community Insights Survey edit

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Reminder: Community Insights Survey edit

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English pages on betawikiversity edit

Hi. Why create english page in betawikiversity instead of English Betawikiversity. Betawikiversity is an incubator of no-existing wikiversity. After creation by the Mediawiki Foundation, pages in an existing wikiversity language not be add in betawikiversity. Crochet.david (talk) 21:31, 14 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

The problem is that my courses run in two languages - the latest addition (born from the corona pandemics and temporary closure of the university) is actually an English-language parallel version of the Estonian course I've been running since 2009. Hosting them in different places would go messy, and the main language of my university is still Estonian.
--KaidoKikkas (talk) 21:43, 14 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
I understand the situation.This means that these pages will remain on betawikiversity until the other wikiversity is opened. And it shows others that it is possible when it is not the rule. To go from one wikiversity to another, there are interwiki links that allow you to go from one wiki to another, whether between wikiversity or from sister projects to another. So if pages are in English, they must go to English-speaking wikiversity. Crochet.david (talk) 16:27, 17 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
ːCan I keep the pages in place for this term? I will then move my courses to a local wiki - right now, given all the mess and the fact that students are just coming here, it will create more problems than solve. - --KaidoKikkas (talk) 16:42, 17 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

How we will see unregistered users edit


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