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You accidentally deleted an important page :-)

(show/hide) 08:28, 30 December 2011 Crochet.david (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Brick and mortar collaboration" ‎ (Spam, nonsense or vandalism) (view/restore)

<Hillgentleman| ~ | 書> 07:33, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Oups, sorry, i don't see the page before the vandalism.Crochet.david 19:09, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Page already exitst

Hi David, Today I wanted to create a page 'e-learning' on the Dutch wikiversity, but this page already exists. Is it possible for the Dutch wikiversity to become a seperated environment? Timboliu 08:50, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

It is the "Comitee language" on MetaWiki that determines whether a project should be open or not. Currently no plans to open the Dutch Wikiversity is on the agenda. More "e-learning" is an English term, and furthermore, you can choose the name of the page. So do not just limited to this term. Crochet.david 09:29, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you help me with getting the Dutch Wikiversity on the agenda of MetaWiki? There is no Dutch word for 'e-learning', I have the same problem with 'Nokia'. Timboliu 13:57, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I can not change anything on the agenda of the management of open wikis. As for names, you can arrange the teerme the language of the wiki commme e-learning (nl) or nokia (nl) for example. Crochet.david 17:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

David, thanks for the info. Timboliu 13:02, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

no source, no licence

http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/File:WS311726eiOlludObuSogeda.ogg

What licence are you expecting? The song is sung by me, recorded by me and used by my fellow students for the following project: http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Viru_pulm

Good morning. Any file placed on different wiki run by the Wikimedia Foundation should have an indication of source and license. We can not know in advance which to create the file. You said to me now that it's you, but how could I know that before. So to avoid problems, especially when the Wikiversity your language will be created to upload your file on Wikimedia Commons rather than on betawikiversity, there will be as if they were on betawikiversity. Crochet.david 17:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

How should I proceed to proof, that I'm the one recorded? Please, use short sentences, because I'm not English.

--Timo 17:49, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

The better way : Go to Wikimedia Commons and upload the file in this wiki instead of betawikiversity (you have a link to upload files in the left). Crochet.david 17:52, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand, how does this answer to my question? It says clearly:"You can upload your original works.". http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard and I asked, how to proof they are my original works. --Astlanda 18:11, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

at the end of the procedure by clicking "Submit" you certify that you did before was true and sincere and you will take the consequences. Give it a try and you will see that we will ask you the question "who created the file ?". Crochet.david 18:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

What does this mean in simple English?

--Astlanda 18:19, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

lõpus korra klikkides "Submit" sa kinnitan, et sa tegid enne oli tõeline ja siiras ning võtate tagajärgedega vigu või vigu. Proovi seda ja sa näed, et me palume teil küsimusele "kes on loonud faili?". Crochet.david 18:23, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

The English version was more understandable. Who will ask? When? And where I should/could answer? Anyway - I already have clicked "Submit" and certified anything. If anyone ever claims to be the singer on those recordings, then send him to me in a cage! Have a nice evening! --Astlanda 18:30, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

You speaking about file uploading in Wikimedia Commons or in betawikiversity ? Crochet.david 18:39, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

Hi David,

Can you delete the following page? Catshuisoverleg mislukt

Done. Crochet.david (talk) 18:21, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Is it possible that I can delete pages myself?

No, only sysop can do. Crochet.david (talk) 18:21, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Cheers,

Tim

Request to delete page

Hi David,

Can you please delete the following page: Agile

Done Crochet.david (talk)

Cheers,

Tim

But do not copy/past if you yant to have an another page name. Use rename function. Copy/past is forbidden by the Wikiversity Licence. Crochet.david (talk) 18:22, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

David, I only have the Move function? Is it possible for me to get the delete function? Timboliu (talk) 19:50, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Move function is also the rename function . Crochet.david (talk) 20:16, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following page: Presidentsverkiezingen Frankrijk

Cheers,

Tim

Done. Crochet.david (talk) 20:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following page: toekomst

Cheers,

Tim

Done. Crochet.david (talk) 14:56, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Can you use ~~~~ to sign your message. Crochet.david (talk) 14:56, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

6+6 spam bot

To let you know that I have added a filter that will block an amount of the 6+6 spambot. Billinghurst (talk) 12:14, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following pages: Bayern Munchen Chelsea

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 15:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Just put a wikilink, not a weblink. It's better for administrator to do the job. Crochet.david (talk) 17:20, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Oké Timboliu (talk) 11:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

1000 pages

David,

In a few weeks the Dutch wikiversity will reach 1000+ pages. What I noticed is that the pages with category NL exceed the pages with catogory 'wikiversiteit'. Is there a smart way to see which NL pages don't have category 'wikiversiteit'? Or can this only be done manually?

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 11:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

The pages in NL category not need to be too in the wikiversiteit category. All pages of the dutch wikiversity must be in the « NL category » or in its sub-categories. The « NL category » is use to count pages activites for the « Language Committee » in Meta and, make easier the tranfert when a wikiversity id open. Crochet.david (talk) 18:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Oké, thanks for the info Timboliu (talk) 10:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page 대문/포털:사회과학/유전적 성공

Hello, good to see you. I'm not english speaker.. If I have a mistake, please forgive me.

Would you please delete article '대문/포털:사회과학/유전적 성공'? because this is not proper academic things. It is just writer's sexual appetite expression :( .. For example, in document, 'make a hole in condom for pregnancy..'.... I don't know this sentence is regarded something in other culture. But, in Korea culture, this behavior is crime. Above reason, I request deletion. Thanks you. --Sotiale (talk) 11:50, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Recreate this article please. 'make a hole in condom for pregnancy' is legal in south korea. South Korea never purnish it. --Feynboy (talk) 08:05, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

that's great joke! Are you kidding now, Feynboy? David, If you want to check this content 'crime behavior', including article 'context', I can survey it in Korean Wikipedia. Do you want it? for reference, his account is blocked by Korean Wikipedia now. Because he uses 'sock puppet'. You can find it here:his contribution log I do not want to bring such thing in betawikiversity. But his action makes me funny.. I will check whether or not this article is proper. --Sotiale (talk) 01:38, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I do test something. I'm sorry, David. I think you are confused now. I wanted to search another sock puppet account in Korean Wikipedia. So, I left message like getting angry by Feynboy. 대문/포털:사회과학/유전적 성공 violate the temporal policy 대문/Wikiversity:정책과 지침. This explains "academic value". But, This document is not. 유전적 성공 means genetic success. but, this does not explain biology. In article, "1강 왜 필요한가"(Why it needs?), explains that child is needed to retirement preparation. "4강 피임을 하는 것으로 위장하기"(disguising birth control for getting a woman with child) explains that make a hole in condom for pregnancy secretly. All contents are not appropriate academic things. Again, Please delete this document speedily. If you want to another information, leave message here. thanks you. --Sotiale (talk) 03:49, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I use a translate site to translate this page and i don't see what is wrong with the page. can you explain me ? thanks. Crochet.david (talk) 11:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

He moves article and deletes quoted contents after I request it. Other contents do not matter. I will observe his behavior closely.. If contents have a problem again, I will leave message. I thank you for your considerate care. --Sotiale (talk) 12:04, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following pages: zorg

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 10:28, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

States of WikiYU

David,

Is it possible to update the 'states of WikiU'?

Thanks in advance,

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 14:43, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following pages: procesarchitectuur

Cheers,

Tim,Timboliu (talk) 09:36, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following page: architectuur

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 20:27, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following page: Soccershares.com

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 19:48, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

My present :)

This user is a custodian on the Wikiversity Beta. (verify)

I don't know you like such thing, I made userbox. It's for you. But, You don't misunderstand me! I don't like hierarchy.. If you do not want it, I'm sorry.

I'm granted a custodian mop. I appreciate your support opinion, at the same time I feel a little burden. I hope that you help me. If I have a mistake, please let me know wrong things. Have a good time, david. Thank you :) --Sotiale (Talk·Contribs) 14:51, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following page: Magnus TopForce

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 13:28, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

thanks for caution

but i never do just a copy. you don't have to worry. i'm doing work with copyright free contents. and i contributed in ko.wikipedia during several years. --거북이 (talk) 00:33, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following page: professionaliteit

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 13:19, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following page: Ouya

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 07:49, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

User Tadiranscopus

David,

Is it possible to undo the changes of user Tadiranscopus?

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 18:03, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

In this type of decision, I can not: I say one opinion, and it is to the community to decide to agree with the opinion or do not agree. Crochet.david (talk) 18:07, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following page: BeInformed

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 11:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Henk Grol case

Hello, David. Good to see you again! I have a case that I deleted Henk Grol article. I see your speedy deletion request, I measure it. I think it violate guideline: Wikiversity:Approved Wikiversity project proposal/En#Resources. Therefore, I delete it. Can I ask you about why you request deletion and detail reason? Regards, Sotiale (Talk·Contribs) 12:29, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I saw the answer. But you are right to have erased this type of page, on wikipedia we find exactly the same type of information, and, moreover, there is no teaching in the page. Crochet.david (talk) 19:46, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

David, what is teaching? Sharing information, sharing your learning curve, can increase the knowledge of someone. I found a TED-talk which explains it much better. Cheers, Tim, Timboliu (talk) 20:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello :)

Hello, David. Can I ask you a personal question?

I think that our community need more 'crat. I surmise Hillgentleman, an only active 'crat, is busy lately. If he changes status from active to inactive, BETA Wikiversity tasks are delayed. Are you busy recently? If you busy, I hope to run for 'cratship instead of you. I come here every day, and has contributed. But my custodianship period may be smaller according to anyone's viewpoint. Therefore, I want to first suggest you about it. Regards, Sotiale (Talk·Contribs) 02:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for your message. There are two on betawikiversity bureaucrats who are "Hillgentleman" and "Sebmol." Actions on bureaucreates betawikiversity are very few here. It is true that there may be requirements for time, and that new bureaucrats can be useful. I am willing to offer to candidate to be a bureaucrat, but do not feel obligated to not be a candidate because I am. I'd be happy as you may be also. Crochet.david (talk) 10:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Umm.... then, Could I become candidate of crat? I'll follow in your opinion. Sotiale (Talk·Contribs) 15:24, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

If you want to become candidate of crat and to serve, please make your election page. I has thought that our community need more active bureaucrat. As you told, bureaucrat tasks in BETA Wikiversity is small and no burden. But, all crat's inactive situation is not appropriate because of task delay. As you know, now active custodian is just two; David and me. Because bureaucrat task is small, two bureaucrat is no effective (This is just my opinion). I wanted to be crat, because Korean Wikiversity is incubator (BETA), I must visit and contribute here. Until Korean Wikiversity is established, I visit here day after day. But my custodian experience is small, although It is different according to viewpoint. Therefore, I first suggested whether you're interested in bureaucrat task. If you want to be bureaucrat and serve, I will full support you. If you're busy and not interested in bureaucrat task, I will become candidate of crat instead of you. This is my full opinion/mind :D Best regards, Sotiale (Talk·Contribs) 05:19, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following page: Herman Wijfels

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 19:37, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Request to delete page

David,

Can you delete the following page: de kracht van projectmanagement

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 08:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Block user

David,

Can this user be blocked: http://beta.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tamrarichmond&action=edit&redlink=1 He's spamming.

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 15:11, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

It make only 2 contributions (only on betawikiversity and not on other wikis). So I make a rollback and i "get an eye" on it. Crochet.david (talk) 15:43, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Timboliu (talk) 21:08, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

States of WikiYU

David,
Is it possible to update the 'states of WikiU'?
Thanks in advance,
Cheers,
Tim, Timboliu (talk) 07:18, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Next week, i'm busy. Crochet.david (talk) 18:50, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. Crochet.david (talk) 19:18, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

States of WikiYU

David,

Is it possible to update the 'states of WikiU' tomorrow? So december is included.

Thanks in advance,

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 11:17, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Researching crony capitalism

David:

I want to create a home for research and investigative journalism on crony capitalism. I want to bring together data on campaign contributions, lobbying, and the actions of elected officials with data (if we can get it) on advertising budgets spent with the major media conglomerates with more open discussions of interpretation. I'm working with Lawrence Lessig and his Rootstrikers organization. From those and elsewhere I hope to energize an army of volunteers to document the corrosive influence of money in politics -- in sufficient detail in a sufficiently timely basis to allow people to actually do something. The Wikipedia article on Campaign finance in the United States contains a section on Sources of data that would serve as primary resources in this work.

Example: Andrew Feinstein's 2011 book, The Shadow World: Inside the Global Arms Trade, reports that an estimated "40 percent of all corruption in all world trade" is in the arms trade. There needs to be a place where reports on this can be tied to current governmental actions and elections. That space needs to be meticulously managed to respect honest differences of opinion while controlling sabotage.

What should I do to get started? What rules do we need to live by to clearly distinguish data from conjectures, etc.? Thanks. DavidMCEddy (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

hello. I advise you to get contact to English Wikiversity that you will be better guidance on research projects in English. Crochet.david (talk) 21:30, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Addition of bureaucrat rights

I have closed your request for bureaucrat rights as successful, and applied those rights. Good luck. Billinghurst (talk) 12:45, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Congrats, David! :) --Sotiale (talk) 16:00, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Congrats …

for having become a bureaucrat. :-) --Vogone (talk) 21:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

States of WikiYU

Hi David,

Is it possible to update the 'states of WikiU' again?

Thanks in advance,

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 20:57, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Forced user renames coming soon for SUL

Hi, sorry for writing in English. I'm writing to ask you, as a bureaucrat of this wiki, to translate and review the notification that will be sent to all users, also on this wiki, who will be forced to change their user name on May 27 and will probably need your help with renames. You may also want to help with the pages m:Rename practices and m:Global rename policy. Thank you, Nemo 12:55, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Custodian for Chinese pages

Hi,I was quite interesting in this project.So may I apply for custodian? Please refer my application page and my contribs.--安可 (talk) 10:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Category:Wikiversitetet/uk]]

This is a mistake. 'Wikiversitetet' is in Swedish, not in Ukrainian. Please, rename this category in the 'Головна'. AtUkr (talk) 13:24, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

m:Requests for comment/Move betawikiversity and oldwikisource to Incubator

... new discussion started. --Sotiale (talk) 14:43, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Crochet.david

States of WikiYU

Hi David,

Is it possible to update the 'states of WikiU' again?

Thanks in advance,

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 20:56, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi David, did you see my request? Maybe you are bussy with other things. I'm not in a hurry, so take your time. Cheers, Tim, Timboliu (talk) 13:00, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Beta Wikiversity in Sicilianu

yes!!! where's Wikiversity Sicilian??? --SurdusVII (talk) 16:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

It do not yet exist in betawikiversity, you must creat it by the language link in the betawikiversity main page. Crochet.david (talk) 16:41, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry,some trouble

Because Chinese Wikipedia need imports page to beta Wikiversity,and I test how to imports pages.But I have some trouble.It's can't imports.So I test some pages,and mess some erroneous operation.I did not deliberately to do.I am very sorry. --安可 (talk) 11:36, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

About my Custodianship request

Dear David, I am Gabriel, as this page shows that I have already over 5 votes for support and no votes for oppose. For this reason, I hope that you may give me the Custodianship right. Thanks a lot!--Gabrielchihonglee (talk) 01:22, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, the link that I have gave you is wrong. It should be this page. Thank you!--Gabrielchihonglee (talk) 11:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Requests for custodianship need a week at least. Please hold others' review. --Sotiale (talk) 13:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Um... It's seems that a week have pased already... --Gabrielchihonglee (talk) 08:56, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

About this request. In future please close requests when you do promote users. On a new note, I would appreciate if you could look at the request as I have raised three/four points and concerns over the users competency and would ask you to reconsider and perhaps desysop if appropriate (this would require a steward to carry out the action however). John F. Lewis (talk) 15:10, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

States of WikiYU

Hi David,

Is it possible to update the 'states of WikiU' again?

Thanks in advance,

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 08:08, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi David, did you see my request? I'm not in a hurry, so take your time. Is it maybe possible to automatically update this table? Cheers, Tim,

Spam filter

Hello David,

The link below is blocked by the spam filter. Is it possible to adjust the filter, so I can share this link?

http://futurelearn.uservoice[dot]com/forums/212410-general/suggestions/4545223-other-languages

Regards,

Tim, --Timboliu (talk) 14:10, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

This site is global blacklisted. Crochet.david (talk) 15:05, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• The local whitelist may be modified, if it is desired to allow it here. It is possible to whitelist the entire site, or specific pages. By the way, to put up a blacklisted link, the easiest and most convenient way is to just place the URL, but eliminate the http://. The software then will not recognize it as a link, but most browsers will accept the rest of the URL and supply the prefix. I.e:

futurelearn.uservoice.com/forums/212410-general/suggestions/4545223-other-languages worked with my browser.

• However, that URL redirects to a log-in on https://www.futurelearn.com/ , so there is a problem with the URL. It is looking like futurelearn may be using uservoice.com to handle fora. Per my guess, yes, it is uservoice.com that is blacklisted. I have not found the original blacklisting reason, but it's explained by a meta admin at [1]. That is, someone, way back, decided that this site wasn't useful for building an encyclopedia, and someone had "spammed" it, which can simply mean that someone added more links to the site than were considered appropriate by the antispam warriors. I worked on the blacklisting of lyrikline.org, a major web site, hosting work by notable poets, and, in fact, reliable source about them, and it took years to get that delisted. They say, "just get the pages you need whitelisted." And then if one makes a whitelisting request, way too often, admins on the small wikis don't know how. On en.wiki, requests can sit for many months, and by the time the request is addressed, if ever, the user has forgotten what they wanted it for. It seriously doesn't work. I suggest adding, to MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist, the regex below that will whitelist the entire uservoice site. If problems appear, they can be addressed. It's almost certain there will be no problem.

\buservoice\.com\b

• To be clear, every wiki may freely decide what to blacklist locally, and also what to whitelist, it's routine and not disruptive. Most global blacklistings are of truly spammed sites, but there are quite a few exceptions. I believe Timboliu is a trusted user, and such requests should be immediately granted. While regex code could be written to specify the exact page he requested, it's more trouble than it's worth. --Abd (talk) 02:52, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Linkink from cs.wikiwersity

Hello David,

could You tell me, how I can my pages, created here link from czech wikiversity project? And thank You for editing my userpage... --Kusurija (talk) 16:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

No solution except [//betawikiversity.org/wiki/... blabla] link. Crochet.david (talk) 17:05, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

...that's a pity. Does it mean, that I can't place it among interwiki's? (for sure; in my humble opinion - after Your answer - I can't/it would not work properly). --Kusurija (talk) 17:12, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Kusurija: There is the interwiki prefix 'betawikiversity' so a possible way of linking would be [[:betawikiversity:Page]]. Vogone (talk) 11:15, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

about the image of design thinking K-12 lab

Hello, I am co-writing the with User:timryaken, and I just found out that you deleted the image of empathy map 3.jpg because copyright violation. But I found out the image from this website we copied from is actually CC-BY-SA, so I think it's not a copy-vio issue. If I am wrong, how could we fix it? Please let us know, thank you. -- Shangkuanlc (talk) 13:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi. The site is under CC-by-sa licence, this is not necessarily the situation for images used by the site. In addition, nothing on the page of the betawikiversity indicated that the image came from this site. It is for this reason that I made ​​inaccessible image that has been deposited on betawikiversity. In the future, it is highly preferable to deposit the file on Wikimedia Commons. This is the wiki repositories of multimedia files.

Images and Fair Use

Since you are arguably the most active administrator on this website, I wanted to contact you about some of the issues I've noticed raised recently on Meta-Wiki regarding the usage of images and other media here. Currently, as you probably know, the Wikimedia Foundation has required that any websites hosted by it only permit uploads of free media or else must develop an Exemption Doctrine Policy to allow somewhat temporary and limited hosting of nonfree files. Beta Wikiversity does not host nonfree files and that option does not appear from the dropdown list under "Licensing" in Special:Upload, and neither does it have a proper Project:Fair use policy. We have therefore two options, which is to propose a fair use policy to be implemented and ratified across this site on the main community discussion board (if you could wikilink to where it is for me as I can't seem to find it, that'd be great), or to redirect the current Special:Upload form to the one on commons, similar to how other wikis do it on their system messages and restrict uploading to admins only. But before I get around to that, I'd like to know what you think and what you should advise we do, since you are administrator. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 11:49, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree with TCNSV that there is an issue to consider. En.wikiversity has an EDP, at [2]. Beta could consider adopting that, as it is, or modifying it, and, if so, the upload list should be modified to allow asserting a Fair Use rationale. I have my own issues with WMF non-free use policy, it's essentially an unfunded mandate, requiring each wiki to do what can be quite substantial work to create content safe for for profit re-users, because generally nonprofits could assert the same fair use rationale, and errors are easy to fix. It's a can of worms, frankly, users have trouble understanding the upload instructions, and then there are continual messes created to clean up. TCNSV's suggestion of redirection to commons -- that's an option -- would simply disallow Fair Use images unless uploaded by a custodian.

According to the WMF policy, "As of March 23, 2007, any newly uploaded files under an unacceptable license shall be deleted." Then, "By March 23, 2008, all existing files under an unacceptable license as per the above must either be accepted under an EDP, or shall be deleted."

What I suggest TCNSV do (with others who care to support this work) is to categorize images by license. He seems to be preparing to do that. This work can then be reviewed by the community and we can decide how to handle the situation. I would suggest that images that are not in use, within a reasonable time after upload, and without adequate free use license, be tagged for speedy deletion rather than being added to categories to be discussed.

If an image is in use, the policy allows for discussion as to fair use, if a community has an EDP. (The policy, as written, implies that discussion is only for files existing as of 2007. However, I don't think that the WMF intended to disallow discussion of fair use for files uploaded after that date. It is next to impossible to discuss a file if it cannot be seen, so hosting the file pending acceptance or deletion is an essential fair use.)

So the essential decision to be made, ASAP, is whether or not to allow non-free images, and, if so, how to handle preparing the Rationale. It has to be simple, or it won't happen.

If Beta chooses to not allow fair use, it's simple. Beta administrators can forget about it, if they want, there is no obligation to enforce the policy. (That is true of all administrative actions, they are allowed, never obligatory.) However, I'd expect to see stewards or global sysops handle deletions if a user exercised about non-free images complains.

However, I do think that Beta may want to allow fair use. And then we need to consider process. --Abd (talk) 02:16, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Fair use goes contrary to the Wikimedia mission of free content for all, and is simply a necessary evil in most cases. However given the large amount of files already uploaded to Beta Wikiversity, some of which are wholly inappropriate given they do not even contain any copyright license at all, an Exemption Doctrine Policy may be necessary here yet. We can still choose however to redirect the Special:Upload form in the sidebar to Wikimedia Commons to disallow such image use cases. The huge mess of disorganized files created by amateur uploaders is already jeopardizing Wikimedia's mission and by extension the mission of Beta Wikiversity, and this community task is going to need lots of effort to cleanup. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 06:54, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Also in Abd's quoting of WMF policy "By March 23, 2008, all existing files under an unacceptable license as per the above must either be accepted under an EDP, or shall be deleted" — well I suppose we are in no hurry to delete the files and we can look the other way for a bit, but it means strictly that all of the currently unlicensed files are up for the speedy deletion category. So we must decide and act quickly, because there is a deadline to forming an appropriate Exemption Doctrine Policy. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 06:57, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Only the obvious copyright violations are cleared quickly. For the rest, I will forward the information to go rather Wikimedia commons to upload media rather than put them on betawikiversity. Crochet.david (talk) 20:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. However, some of the files here, such as File:Visual brandstorming.png, are unsuitable for Wikimedia Commons not as copyright violations but because there is no license information for them like the needed author, source and license template. Presumably some of the uploaders here can typically claim "own work" for the purposes of Wikimedia Commons, but we will need to send email messages to the original authors to ask them what license they want to give to the files they sent to Beta Wikiversity. As an example, File:星尘自然共和国.jpg does not have enough description about the copyright status because "Freedom in my dream named The Natural Republic of Astro-dust" is too vague, so we need to contact Mienyi Yi to clarify their license. Perhaps if that happens we can send the relevant information to the OTRS people to sort it out. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 07:39, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Fair Use has one advantage. It is possible to assert it later, when the original uploader is no longer active and a license is found to be defective, but the image is useful. The possibility depends on details, but if a resource would be damaged by the removal of the image, and no equivalent is available, and the image meets certain other qualifications, anyone could assert fair use, showing the place used, etc.

TCNSV asserted, Fair use goes contrary to the Wikimedia mission of free content for all, and is simply a necessary evil in most cases. That is indeed a WikiMedia mission, but it can conflict with other missions. "Free content" has a paradoxical meaning. It can mean "free," as in, anyone can access it without fee. The basic mission of Wikiversity is not "free content for all," but "free access to participation in learning," is how I'd put it. The "Free content" policy actually protects only certain for-profit re-users, who could, in fact, charge for access. (An example is books complied from WikiMedia content, sold at a profit.) The problem is that those "users" have a difficult with Fair Use. It could lead to a legal liability. Generally, a nonprofit may be able to claim Fair Use quite safely -- as we can --, where a for-profit re-user isn't safe. So for-profit re-users must be able to efficiently find and eliminate Fair Use content. That takes labor. Who supplies the labor?

In any case, WMF policy requires machine-readable identification of Fair Use content. That makes the job of removal easy. However, there is still the problem that content may be damaged. So, brilliant idea: force WMF volunteers to work to find free equivalents, on pain of having their content mangled by the removal of the Fair Use content. That will allow for-profit re-users to have their images without having to invest in removing the images (trivial) or fixing the pages (not trivial).

At least that's how it looks to me, how the policy came to be the way it is. I don't know how deliberate it is. When the policy was written, was it realized that a major beneficiary of the policy could be Wikia? (Is that true? I don't know, but it's plausible on the face.)

My goal as a Wikiversitan is not free content, it is creating the best possible educational resources and learning opportunities. That also requires a vibrant student community, which is why I advocated allowing users to put up Fair Use images of themselves in user space (normally user space is excluded by an EDP doctrine, because on the other wikis, the community is not a crucial "product"). For education, learning by doing, it is crucial, and that users get to know each other and develop rapport is crucial.

So why can't the user put up a snapshot they took themselves? Perhaps usually they can. The case we had in mind was a user who had quite possibly claimed Fair Use incorrectly, having gotten bad advice from her instructor, or it might have been a professional photo with restricted re-use. We didn't know. As a professional photo, the resolution had been reduced, this would not be a serious infringement.

(User snapshots of themselves on Commons get deleted quickly if they are not used. That's a good reason to allow the upload here, the link is placed, and then the content may get moved to Commons rather routinely. However, does Commons need snapshots of Wikiversity users? Is there some reason why these should be "freely available for re-use." Why can't a user limit re-use of personal images like that? It's not part of the "educational content," it was part of the student community process, which is over if the material is being re-used. Basically, the policies haven't thought this all the way through, a not uncommon problem. They are "content as product" oriented.)

(I could imagine the entire user space not being "free content," but rather being owned by the users, each user their own space, though still subject to use restrictions as now. Except fair and restricted use would be allowed there.)

It was a relatively small point, I'm much more concerned about mainspace, where the bottom line is that finding a substitute image can be quite a lot of work. I've suggested that those who want to get rid of Fair Use images do that work! If it's equivalent, nobody will mind that the free equivalent is substituted. In the case I have in mind, the photo was of a notable professor, taken from his school web site. It's quite likely that permission could be obtained, but, again, who does that work? The way the discouragement of Fair Use works, the burden is placed on those who want to keep the image because they care about the quality of the resource, against those who just want to delete it, who don't care about the resource at all, and perhaps they don't care about the wiki at all.

It's a setup for conflict. The more liberal our EDP, and the clearly it is as to procedure, the less conflict will exist, long-term. The clarity part is the most important, instructions to user should be crystal clear. I can tell you that, generally, they aren't. Those instructions can be impenetrable.

The WMF has allowed each wiki to develop an EDP, because it clearly recognizes that the purposes of the wikis are not exclusively "free content." Commons does have that purpose, it's quite clear and proper. Which is why a generic policy that WV content should be hosted on Commons would be just as damaging as the same requirement for Wikipedia. Yes, forbidding Fair Use is a simple solution, and I'll leave it to those caring for Beta to make that choice. But I would not want that on en.wikiversity, for sure.

The en.wikiversity EDP can be adopted. It could be improved, but I'd better spend my time working on improvements to the en.wikiversity EDP than trying to debate this here. Whatever we do there can be brought here easily, if it's considered useful.

I am very much an active promoter of the Wikiversity concept, and I think that Wikiversity has the possibility of transforming the entire WMF community, long-term.

I don't work usually here for two reasons: I prefer to work in English, where I'm totally solid as a writer and editor -- I've done it professionally -- and if I wanted to help out here as a custodian, the process would attract substantial opposition, without that much additional value being added. Basically, it's not worth the disruption. --Abd (talk) 02:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Abd, please don't veer the discussion off-topic. We are here to set the standards for which an EDP might be formed if it is needed, for images that might not prove compatible with Wikimedia Commons, and for that purpose we need concrete details on what bullet points a policy might contain or entail, not long-winded difficult-to-follow paragraphs of navel gazing at the acceptability of "Fair Use" or what Wikia does. It is disrupting our work, and for this reason I have moved the rest of that discussion to your talkpage. WMF Resolutions Committee was very clear on the need for an EDP. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 18:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Apologies for bothering you again, but I believe that, since you seem to agree with the idea that Beta Wikiversity should not host "fair use files" (meaning only "free" files are allowed on Beta Wikiversity) can we have the upload button in the sidebar point to Wikimedia Commons? Rather than have your bot transfer everything to Wikimedia Commons, this is a sort of software trick that will potentially restrict uploading only to administrators by automatically sending future uploads to Commons. We could also ask the developers to block all uploads and give a warning, like Spanish Wikiversity. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 23:30, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Has this community ever made a decision on this? In the absence of an EDP, like en:Wikiversity:EDP, WMF policy prohibits fair use. However, unless the decision has been made to not allow fair use, going to developers seems a bit extreme. --Abd (talk) 04:27, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

States of WikiYU

Hi David,

Is it possible to update the 'states of WikiU' again?
Is it possible to update this table automatically?

Thanks in advance,

Cheers,

Timboliu (talk) 22:36, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi David, did you see my questions? I'm not in a hurry, so take your time. Is it maybe possible to automatically update this table? Cheers, Tim, Timboliu (talk) 22:21, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I see it, but I need time to do that. Crochet.david (talk) 11:37, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Sotiale bureaucrat candidacy

This RfB has been open for a very long time and has no opposition. I requested action at meta and received a response that they will not act because you are active.[3] Given that your initial support was confirmed with unanimous support, please do close this RfB. I will also notify Hillgentleman of this request. Thanks. --Abd (talk) 13:52, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

• By the way, thank you for rapidly responding to this request. --Abd (talk) 19:19, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Already done : Wikiversity:Candidates for Bureaucrats/Sotiale. Crochet.david (talk) 19:41, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I was thanking you for doing it! --Abd (talk) 20:57, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

bot broke link

David, your bot broke a link with [4]. Looking at bot contributions, I see that other links were broken. Please look at this. --Abd (talk) 13:37, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for fixing the link. Many pages had links broken by the bot in that session, including that one. I went over all those bot edits in that time period. Before I realized that you had fixed some of them, but still making them interwiki links rather than external links as originally written, I changed quite a few interwiki links back to the original external links. In the process, I also reverted some "cosmetic changes."
• In general, my opinion, none of this bot changing of links should have been done. It filled up Recent Changes and lit up watchlists and sent emails to users for changes of no practical difference. On some wikis, had I manually made those changes, including cosmetic changes, to a user page, I'd be reprimanded. It's prohibited on en.Wikipedia. I think you should probably exclude user pages from bot changes, and changing pages to insert spaces around section headers in wikitext -- which makes no difference in display, AFAIK -- is also not a good idea for the same reason. In any case, thanks for all your work. --Abd (talk) 14:22, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

errors in protected template

Hi, David, thanks for protecting Template:Delete. However, you edited it before or while protecting it, and made some spelling errors. I have corrected them at [5]. When things settle down, I will then use that draft page to propose any changes to the template, or anyone can. --Abd (talk) 19:42, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

[6]. Thanks. --Abd (talk) 22:27, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

States of WikiYU

Hello David,

Could you please update the 'states of WikiU' again? Possible create something to do this automatically?

Thanks in advance,

Cheers,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Babel

Why you have demaged my babel? My intention was to see the list of users, who operates lt.--Juandev (talk) 11:42, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

{{babel}} is now unused. The magic Word #babel is used to indicate the language. Crochet.david (talk) 11:55, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

But my need was not indicate the language. Imagine a situation. You came here and you would like to find users, who speak the same languague, because you would like to annimate them to continue on that language wikiversity. How you would do that. How you would create a list of users, who has a certain knowledge of your language and can help you?--Juandev (talk) 12:03, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

The better way is know who work on the LT.WV instead of who speak LT so check this page. Crochet.david (talk) 12:05, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Does it work properly?--Juandev (talk) 12:09, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I mean User:Dirgela is there first in the list. But here username doesnt exists on Betawikiverstity. So how she could be the biggiest contributor?--Juandev (talk) 12:10, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Check the SUL and you will see that a global account wich are not attached a betawikiversity. That a major contributor of the LT.WP and if you check the import_log_special_page, you can easly see that Vogone importe lot of LT.WP page. So the page work properly. Crochet.david (talk) 12:20, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

But that is useless if it shows people, who contributed on Lithuanian Wikipedia. My concern is not about prove to LangCom, my concernt is to see real people, who ever edited lt wikiversity.--Juandev (talk) 12:30, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, thats your POV. Mine is different and I still dont see the list of users, who intended to help to LT wikiversity. So I open a discussion on Babel. Maybe more thoughts will come.--Juandev (talk) 12:45, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

RFA

Can you close Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/Vogone (2)? Thanks,-- 분당선M (T • C) 23:46, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

States of Wikiversities

Cher David !

Actualisez States of Wikiversities considérant les changements ci-dessous, s'il vous plaît :

1. DIQ a maintenant une demande sur meta
2. LT a maintenant une demande sur meta
3. TA a maintenant une demande sur meta

Merci beaucoup ! Vogone (talk) 13:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

States of WikiU

Hi David,

The state of the Dutch wikiversity is not updated. Can you update it?

Regards,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 15:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I can't, the script do not work on NL category on betawikiversity. Crochet.david (talk) 16:05, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Deletions

Special:Log/delete: Please be more careful next time, you accidentally deleted those 4 categories the second time already :-) Vogone (talk) 11:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for delete those vandalism pages. I have a question: Where I can request adminship? Laberinto16 (talk) 18:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/En. Crochet.david (talk) 18:38, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Nobody voting in my CfC. If I don't have votes result is positive or negative, and when finish the votation? Laberinto16 (talk) 02:21, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

14 days after the demand.Crochet.david (talk) 06:31, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes but if nobody voting the result is positive or negative? 190.33.67.43 20:08, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Custodianship

Hello Crochet.david, I read here that the period of voting is 14 days, then . This means that my signing up is ready to be concluded. With no opposes, 1 neutral and the others supporting the candidature, I assume I become an admin. We have set up some guidelines at Wikiversity:Forum and the discussion went silent because of we are waiting to conclude the procedure. Can you do that? Romaine (talk) 02:32, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Crochet.david, The pages MediaWiki:Lang and MediaWiki:Lang/nl are needed to be able to automatically translate headers of pages and certain templates automatically into English or Dutch depending on the preferences of a user. This system is also in use on Commons. Romaine (talk) 16:00, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

An important message about renaming users

Dear Crochet.david,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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Upload files, Upload Wizard?

Hello! Sorry for writing in English. As you're an administrator here, please check the message I left on MediaWiki talk:Licenses and the village pump. Thanks, Nemo 19:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

undelete

No specific reason was given with the deletion. The page is linked from E-learning. Please undelete for review. Thanks. --Abd (talk) 18:15, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Reason : Not licence and/or no source. Crochet.david (talk) 20:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Sure, might be copyvio. However, it is possible that it could be used, if not here then on en.wikiversity, or if it exists somewhere else, it could be linked. So I'd still like to see it. I will tag it for speedy deletion unless it clearly is okay for it to be here. --Abd (talk) 22:46, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Copyvio tags

[7]: Please note the users are identical. The MIFSA project is going to be migrated to Wikiversity. Kind regards, Vogone (talk) 18:59, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hum, ok, it's not so clear. Maybe the user post at the Wikiversity:Portal to make an explain. So thanks for the get_a_look. Crochet.david (talk) 19:03, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

MIFSA had a collective decision to migrate wiki.mifsa.lt project to lt.wikiversity.org, I am representing them. If you need a proof, you can ask them by writing email to info@mifsa.lt or it@mifsa.lt. What kind of proof do you need, that I have the permission to copy the content? --FuksuFuksas (talk) 19:38, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

The problem is not your proof, the problem is the licence of the MIFSA wiki wich are not a free licence, so can't be copy into a wikimedia project so easy. That's the why of the copyvio template added a the top of page. Crochet.david (talk) 20:04, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I will ask MIFSA to change the license of wiki.mifsa.lt content, but it might take some time. --FuksuFuksas (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

MIFSA have already updated the wiki.mifsa.lt content license. Cheers. --FuksuFuksas (talk) 08:07, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok, that' fine ! Crochet.david (talk) 16:09, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

User talk:MediaWiki message delivery

While this one is indeed a service account, the major wikis typically use this page to hold instructions on how to determine and contact the originator of the message, or how to report issues with this tool, etc. (Sometimes, it seems to also be used to discuss project-specific issues with the tool.)

Consider, e. g.:

• w:en:User talk:MediaWiki message delivery
• c:User talk:MediaWiki message delivery

So I suppose this page should be restored (or created anew) with some relevant pointers.

Thanks in advance.

— Ivan Shmakov (d ▞ c) 19:30, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Update

Hi. Can you, please, update the States of Wikiversities ? — Green Zero обг 14:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Could you explain why...

...this isn't deleted? https://beta.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ninjailbreak&action=history It's a IP created userpage, so I don't understand why you reverted my speedy. Thanks. --Atcovi (talk) 13:58, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Ask the user of the page, you will receive the same response that i've receveided. ;-) Crochet.david (talk) 14:20, 23 December 2015 (UTC)